Read the article, "Helping Children and Adolescents Cope with Violence and Disasters" to learn more about a mental health diagnosis, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, that was first documented in the 1980's (more than 30 years after our novel was written).
Then reflect on the events in chapter one of Lord of the Flies where Piggy explains to Ralph that the plane they had been evacuated out of England on went down in flames and the fuselage (with possible survivors) has been swept back out to sea. Ralph seems to take this information in stride and is thrilled to have no adults around. He stands on his head because he is so excited to be free of adults. He sees his stay on the island as an adventure.
Does this reaction seem normal to you? Why isn't he crying or panicking? Were children emotionally tougher in the 1950's when Golding wrote the novel? Have today's youth become pampered and weak emotionally? Make connections between the novel and the article.
Post your comments in the blog.
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)
42 comments:
Ralph's reaction isn't that normal to me because I was expecting him to be more scared by the fact that they're stranded with no adults. If I were his age I don't think I'd know what to do. I don't think he really cares that much because he probably thinks of this as his chance to be free and to live on his own. I don't know how the kids were in the 50s but I strongly believe that kids have become emotionally weaker now a days maybe due to more and more traumatic things happening in the world.
I think his reaction isn't normal because he got to be scared in there, I mean, without food or his parents, who can live like that. Maybe he isn't crying because he is ashame of what Piggy can say about that. I think they were because they were educated in another way more harder than now. I guess so, today the parents protect more their child than before no because the love them more now than before but because it was just in that way.
Ralph's reaction surprised me because this is not normal to me seeing a young child about eleven or twelve years acting this way. If it was me, of course, i would be crying and panicking right now. I think Ralph is a kid who thinks he can stand on his own without any adults and he doesn't seem to mind. I'm not familiar of how children lived in the 1950's but I believe that these days kids became emotionally weaker maybe because of these diseases and traumatic distressing occurence in this world.
To be honest, I wasn't as shocked to find out how Ralph was reacting to the situation. If I were put into that situation, of course I would be terrified, but he is a guy and they tend to act more independent and manly, showing off a stronger side to them as opposed to the weak. Back in the day('50s), it seemed as if parents were more layed back and carefree rather than how it is now-a-days where kids are much more protected by their parents & guardians. Kids have gotten much weaker and more dependent on others rather then themselves. We base our lives on how society views the world.
i think ralph's reaction has to do with being a guy and that maybe he and his parents didn't get along. even though he seems to have fun and enjoy no adults, he will probably want some around if things become tougher. i think its normal and he will like it until it becomes harder. i think children in the 50's were emotionally tougher because kids of today hear about more traumatic situations than children in the 50's. i don't think were weak and emotional, i think that we would sort of know in a way what to do in a traumatic situation than a child in the 50's.
Does this reaction seem normal to you? Why isn't he crying or panicking? Were children emotionally tougher in the 1950's when Golding wrote the novel? Have today's youth become pampered and weak emotionally? Make connections between the novel and the article.
The reactions seem normal to me because if the choir was to cry all day long they wouldn’t get anything out of it. The events in chapter one of Lord of the Flies where Piggy explains to Ralph that the plane they had been evacuated out of England on went down in flames and the fuselage (with possible survivors) has been swept back out to sea. Panicking is what Piggy did in chapter one. He was always aware of what kind of things that might go wrong. I agree that kids today's youth become pampered and weak emotionally.
If i was stranded on an island with no adults, i would probably enjoy it for a little bit. However, once things started getting hard, i would realize that it wasnt a vacation and that it was real life and i have to figure out how to live on my own. I think that Ralph is acting the way that i would. I think that he wil eventually crack under pressure.Also, i think kids back in the 50s have life easier because there wasnt as many gangs and violence, and kids today are forced to grow up faster then they should
I really dont know whats wrong with Ralph, because i know for sure that if i was stranded on a an island with no adults i wouldve been worried, & wouldn't know what to do, instead of getting excited and all. But, if i was his age though and had no choice anyways, i would try to have fun at the island. i think back in the 50's kids were more careless & was willing to do whatever and basically didnt care what they do [my opinion though], but i don't know, i think now-a-days kids are a little more weaker [emotionally] because today in life we go through more things and seen/experienced through alot more, than kids back then did, so we intend to go through alot & i think that messes with our mind.
I can't tell from people's comments that they have gone to the link and read the article on PTSD. Please remember you need to show me in your response that you have also read the article.
No I don't think the reactions of Ralph seems normal because in the article it said that whenever a kid suffers through any trauma or any accident they suffe through emotional or little problems. With waht I know Ralph isn't panicking because of thoughts that are going through kids heads thinking that its not mature for his age to express their feelings. Children are the same as when Golding wrote the novel. The only diffrence is that with more accidents, hurricanes, or deaths many kids stay or have more emotional problems with the accident of the plane I know that Ralph is just hidding his feelings. I do think kids these days are pamperred more than before because now with all the cars, drugs, and health conditions kids will suffer and for parents to help them they have to be pampered and helped. the little kids in the novel arer crying and all scared but the older ones want to show their leadership to others.
Ralphs first thought is to go crazy be happy but this can also relate to the kids in new mexico woith no adults for forty days ralph and the others are going to be stranded for awhile and be happy of no adults but sooner or later they are going to have learn of responsibility and how to fend for them selfs and others like piggy he already has that in mind and is trying to tell everyone else.
i forgot to write about the article in the fifty kids were more relaxed about what was going to happened they didnt think of there punishments head of time
His reaction wasnt as normal as you think it would be. He wasn't scared of the idea that his parents are not with him and no food. That is not the reaction that you would get from a normal preson. I have no idea of how the kids were like in the 50's but I think the kids are definitely emotionally weaker than they were in the 50's due to the events that are causing emotional damage to their souls which is heart breaking.
ralphs reaction to not having parents around to me is very difficult to see how he really feels. according to the story, it can take a week until the person with a trauma can go see the whole picture. he can be happy or not even really worrying about no adults but later he may just wish the're were. some time the kids have to be missing being told what to do.
i was suprised of how the kids were acting in the island that they were stranded on because no barely any kids would act like that with no parents and food thats how you know how ralph was not scared at all but piggy and some of the others were but when we read in the beggining that ralph was not worried at all
I think the way Ralph reacted isn't normal for a kid his age because if i was him and other kids who are his age, would be more scared and not knowing what to do. To me he acts liek he doesnt really care or hes just is trying to be a strong person for himself. Im not really sure how kids were in the 1950's but i believe that kids now are emotionally weaker because theres a lot of stress and traumatic things in the world. Things in the world really affect kids now a days.
I think the reaction is normal for Ralph because he is the leader and he can't show that he is woried or Jack will take lead. I think children are the same they wish they never had aldults around so when it actually happens they get excited about it.I think the youth now is only different in a sense that we have more freedom due to what we want.If anything i think that their reactions towards this whole "no adult thing" will come out a few days later like it says in the article to how adolescents react to trauma.
I think the reaction is normal for Ralph because he is the leader and he can't show that he is woried or Jack will take lead. I think children are the same they wish they never had aldults around so when it actually happens they get excited about it.I think the youth now is only different in a sense that we have more freedom due to what we want.If anything i think that their reactions towards this whole "no adult thing" will come out a few days later like it says in the article to how adolescents react to trauma.
Ralph's reaction isn't that normal to me because I was expecting him to be more scared by the fact that they're stranded with no adults. If I were his age I don't think I'd know what to do. I don't think he really cares that much because he probably thinks of this as his chance to be free and to live on his own. I don't know how the kids were in the 50s but I strongly believe that kids have become emotionally weaker now a days maybe due to more and more horrible things happening in the world. The article also says how adolescents 12-17 years may avoid things that remind them about the traumatic event and this could be what Ralph is doing.
and another thing, it says in the article that children between the ages of 6-11 have " disruptive behavior and/or inability to pay attention". its seems that almost every boy on the island has disruptive behavior every time time there is a meeting and a lot of the boys can't pay attention. a lot of the boys really are suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder from the plane crashing and wondering if they will be found.
Another thing about this important article is that "from children six to eleven years old may show inability, irrational fears and nightmares." Some of these boys are suffering from traumatic stress disorder from the plane that crashed with them and this is why they have some of these behaviors. For example, the little boy was describing a "beastie" that keeps coming back to him. I think this boy has traumatic stress because he is having his fears from this creature or he might be having some nightmares and is imaginning it.
Does this reaction seem normal to you? Why isn't he crying or panicking? Were children emotionally tougher in the 1950's when Golding wrote the novel? Have today's youth become pampered and weak emotionally? Make connections between the novel and the article.
The reactions seem normal to me because if the choir was to cry all day long they wouldn’t get anything out of it. The events in chapter one of Lord of the Flies where Piggy explains to Ralph that the plane they had been evacuated out of England on went down in flames and the fuselage (with possible survivors) has been swept back out to sea. Panicking is what Piggy did in chapter one. He was always aware of what kind of things that might go wrong. I agree that kids today's youth become pampered and weak emotionally. In addition the article said that "from children six to eleven years old may show inability, irrational fears and nightmares." Some of these boys are suffering from traumatic stress disorder from the plane that crashed with them and this is why they have some of these behaviors. This shows that the little boy was describing a "beastie" that keeps coming back to him is the result of traumatic stress because he is having his fears from this creature or he might be having some horrible nightmares.
I read the article and realize that the patients of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder will have symptoms like continously sleep disturbance, regressive behavior or hardly concentrate. What I notice is that Ralph in LOTF acted totally different comparing to the symptoms. After the plane crashed, he even became happier that he can be alone with other kids on the island. It seems so abnormal to me. Ralph is not crying probably because in times like the 1950s, they were educated very differently. They had to shave their head, or be ready to serve the country. To be honest, today's youth indeed became a lot weaker. Parents gave too much love and care to their children. They might not be tough enough doing things like Ralph did. I am really impressed with the way England children are educated.
i believe his actions are normal because you forget that times were way different in the 50's. parents whipped their children with belts, teachers would slap their wrists with metersticks and rulers. children had more behavioral expectations. they were only supposed to speak when they were spoken to, so i can understand Ralph's enthusiasm about having no one telling him how to act or what to do. another possiblility is that Ralph is in denial. that is often one of the first reactions after a traumatic event and i was surprised that they didn't mention it as one of the symptoms in the article. it's possible that Ralph hasn't come to terms with what's happened yet.
Ralph's reaction does seem normal because the website said that a reaction to trauma could occur even weeks later, and not right after the incident. I think that Ralph still hasn't come to terms with the fact that they are stranded and they have to fend for themselves. I think when it gets tougher and it probably will because most of the boys grew up sheltered in bording school. They have'nt had to deal with real life all that much because they've been living at school. I think kids from the 1950's aren't emotionally tougher. I think that they are emotionally weaker than kids today. Because kids today are faced with more "older/ obseen" images from the media and other aspects of their lives. They are faced with more violence from gangs and so they are forced to grow up and make the right dicisions. For instance the boys grew up in sheltered bording schools. While children these days are not. These days children are faced with drugs and gangs from the streets. I think the the boys were a little oldeer they would understand that they are alone with no help except each other.
I thought that they would be terrified because they"re all on the island without any adults. I think I would be scared but not completly terrified.I belive that back in the '50s everything was so much layed back and relaxed .They didn't have to worry as much as parents have to now because evrything is changed so much.
AlonzoJhenry3
I think Ralph's reaction was abnormal.Most kids would begin to panick.They would automaticly begin to worry about food and how to survive.Yes i think young boys in the 1950's were braver.I also agree that kids are less capable of dealing with their problems these days.They don't know how to act in a serious situation.
Douglassahenry2
I think his reaction is normal to me. What kid wouldnt want to be stranded with no parents. I would be happy if I didnt have my parents there with me. It's still a little wiered that he would be more excited to not have no parents than to be aware of his real situations.
i can connect to Ralph about being excited about no adults being around. You can tell that he wasn't thinking about what was going to happen, how long he was going to be there, etc. If he did realize what he was going to be going through he would be crying like all the other littleuns. I think that some people are weaker than others, but i think that the weak can become like the strong. I don't think it is right for kids to have nightmare's and flashbacks about a horrible scary event that the child wants to put in the back of his mind. The child cannot control these feelings.
To me, Ralphs recation didn't quite catch me off guard because I know that kids from back in the day were more calm and able to take care of their selfs better than spoiled children today can.
Yes, i believe children were emotionally tougher when this novel was written and yes children today are more pampered and spoiled than children from tha 1950's.
well i really dont think Ralphs reaction is normal from his age becuse if you suffer from a plane crash or anything tramatic you might have something wrong with u and u might not. He acts like a leader and dosnt want jack to take it over cause he thinks he can handle it on his own and be his own independent leader.
Well, in the article, however, it says that younger adult or children's emotion is very weak. But it does not mean the same way to everyone, someone might have a very strong emotion. In the novel, the kids' emotions are very strong, I think this is because that they do have everything they want all the time and they do not have parents or adults take care them all the time, so they need to learn to take care themselves and so it becomes they do not need anyone to help them and they are use to it already. On the other hand, maybe in the 50s, the people dose not have too much stress, and so they are happy all the time and dose not feel bad.
I think the reaction to Ralph that there isn't adults in the island is normal because some childrens don't have parents in their lives. I think he isn't crying or panicking beacause he is happy and there are no adults on the island.i think back then children didn't know then that there parents weren't going anywhere. some childrens suffer beacuse they didn't like being by themselves at home or how they acted.In "Lords of the Flies", Ralph probably didn't know parents really do.
I think yes beacuse some youths miss having there parents and some don't really spent that much time together. Ralph;s probably happy beacuse he on the island with other boys. I would be happy beacuse there wouldn't be nobody telling me what to do. Ralph
the way ralph reacted was surprising and unexpected.at his age i would imagine a kid really freaking out instead of not really caring. i guess back then everything was more layed back and now and days people are scared of smaller even things, but yea if i was in his positiion i would be really scared.
I think Ralph’s reaction is normal because he’s young and he doesn’t any adults around. With no adults he can do what he wants when he wants, no chores, doesn’t get tolled what to do, and has no bedtime. I don’t about emotionally tougher, but I would say they had more structure then kids nowadays and probably could survive by themselves’s.
i think his reaction doesnt seem really normal because he is a young boy around the age of 11 or 12 and he's not freaking out. I think he's not crying to show that he is tough and he is trying to be tough to show he can do things himself. i think kids back than in the 50;s were emotionally tougher back then because they dont really on a lot of things back then. Today we really alot on our technology and if we were stranded on an island alone i think kids today would be bit freaked if they have nothing. but i d ont thinks kids today have been pampered and weak emotionally, kids today are just as tough.
When i cliked on the link for the, "Helping Children and Adolescents Cope with Violence and Disasters" it said "an unexpected error occurred!" so i couldn't read the link. Anyways i can't really make connectons to the article, however i can say that i believe it's in out human nautre to let some things over power others; for example in LOTF when Ralph basically ignores the fact that there might be other survivors in the plane and now that it is swept into the sea and just stands there happy to be away from adults, his "Freedom" is what over powers his "conscience". he's just an adolescent that craves awayness from parents and restrictions. Overall i believe that the reason why he was so careless about possible survivors is the fact that his freedom took over his conscience.
ralph's reaction isn't normal b/c on the article it said 11-12 years ago would isolated and be quiet around peers. But sooner or later, he has to realize that once you're stranded, w/ nothing, then you'll have to work hard to survive.
For me Ralph's reaction wasn't normal because any normal kid at his age would be dessesperated looking for his parents. I think he wasn't crying because he thought he was old enough to take care of himself. I think there's possibility that the kids back then were stronger than they are now, because i think parents go too easy on their kids nowdays and let them do whatever they want. I think children are getting weaker and weaker because of the media's influence and what they see
This reaction in a way seemed normal to me because some boys at that age find it so fun that there's no parents around because that means they get to do whatever they want with no limits. He isn't crying or panicking right now, maybe because he doesn't even realize what he really has to deal with and is just having the mind of a typical boy. Yes, I do think that children were toughter when Golding wrote the novel in the 1950's (at least those children). I think that today's youth became pampered and weak emotionally do the the tragic diaster and violence that has increased in our world today. They seem more tragic, and kids rely on adults more. I think that in the novel, Piggy is truly the adult. Because of this, he's the one who realized what's ahead of the boys and was trying to look the best posibilities to survive (just as the adults are to do for children today).
This week's blog is now closed for credit.
Leadership
TO be a true leader
you have to be ambitious and wise
to show good example
and not give bad advice.
Dont be enmity
and become ones enemy
but to make people happy
and not go all crazy
Alwayz help others
and keep their heads up high
then letting the littluns feel scared, lonely, and scared of the dark.
Protect your tribe
And not by killing them
with hatered and evil
Always be brave, have courage and pride
Remember dont get mad and leave a person behind
Dont feel useless and give up on life and feeling left out
Always feel immortality
because thats what a true leader is all about.
Post a Comment